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Written by Mike Flacy   
Wednesday, 08 April 2009

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We got a chance to speak with Cheena Srinivasan last week, the Chief Operating Officer of Kaleidescape.  For those that haven’t been paying attention to recent hardware announcements, Kaleidescape just launched the Mini system.  The Mini is Kaleidescape’s first component that integrates a multi-zone system into a single unit.  It was also launched at a price point that’s 40% less than the previous system.

Based on the design, we were curious if Kaleidescape was attempting to break into the consumer market rather than targeting custom installers as they have in the past.   While the mini system is still being targeted to installers for retrofit job and remodels, the mini player is designed to be used as a free-standing set top box in your home theater setup.  It comes with rubber feet on the bottom of the player for display or it can also be rack mounted with the proper fittings.  The mini is about 17 inches wide and weighs a bit over 20 pounds. 

 Mini Storage

The Mini is compatible with all previous Kaleidescape hardware releases.  The base capacity for the mini system is 75 DVDs or 825 CDs.  Using 2.5” disk cartridges, the mini system can be expanded to a maximum capacity of storing 225 DVDs or 2,500 CDs (1.5 TB).  These can be inserted right on the front of the unit behind a faceplate.  Similar to previous systems, the storage structure uses RAID-K to prevent importing data repeatedly in case of hard drive failure.  You can also hook it up to one of the Kaleidescape servers and expand your hard drive space beyond 10 TB.

The mini system can upscale DVDs to 1080p and they don’t have to be stored on the mini system to be played.  If you want to pop in a DVD, the mini system will bring up the cover art / movie data (presumably downloaded via the ethernet connection) and the disc will play immediately.  It also skips past all the trailers and advertisements automatically to start the movie immediately.   While a DVD is being watched, the Mini can play music in two other sections of the house, presuming the home is wired for multi-zone playback.          

We asked Cheena about any future expansion for consumers shifting their software libraries from DVD to Blu-ray.  By the end of 2009, Kaleidescape plans to release a Blu-Laser player to implement Blu-ray discs in a similar fashion as DVDs.  The mini player is expected to be fully compatible with the Blu-Laser player, but we wonder if it will face capacity issues with Blu-ray discs.  Hypothetically, if the average size of Blu-ray disc data is 20 gig (movie only), the base Mini System would only be able to handle a small percentage of titles compared to DVD.

 

Mini Rear
The user interface on the mini is identical to other hardware releases and uses an identical operating system.  In fact, all Kaleidescape hardware receive new software releases concurrently to ensure system compatibility.  The user interface allows users to browse through their media by genre, director, actor, artist, etc…  You can take a look at a demo of the user interface by clicking this link.  

The Mini system may or may not turn out to be a well-timed response to the current state of the economy.  The Mini System is priced at $7,995; well above the average consumer's threshold, but much more affordable for anyone doing a custom job with Kaleidescape components.  Additionally, prices on the 1080p Player, the 1080p Mini player and Disk cartridges have been reduced.  Still, the product design and ease of installation lends to the possibility that Kaleidescape is moving to directly attract consumers directly rather than through dealers.  That being said, there’s no push towards opening up a direct sales channel through Kaleidescape’s website at this time.  

 

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Paul Kosa  - Kaleidescape = HT PC.   |2009-04-10 12:08:09
I find it weird how people will pay so much money for a home theater PC with a
fancy case and name. Kaleidescape is now lacking features found on free
apple/windows software and has droped far behind in technology. Kaleidescape had
a head start when they first came out but now I see no point in spending huge
sums of money just for a name.
Steven Kippel  - Answers   |2009-04-10 12:50:31
Two answers here. One is to Mike Flacy.

"...but we wonder if it will face
capacity issues with Blu-ray discs."

Interesting that you talked to the COO
and didn't get this answered. The Kaleidescape System will not store Blu-ray
Discs on the hard drive. It will store DVDs and playback Blu-ray movies inserted
int he drive. Because Kaleidescape does everything "above the board"
they will not crack encryption without legal authority (see: DVD-CCA).

Second,
to Paul Kosa: If you have not used a Kaleidescape System you will not understand
how impressive it is. You can compare it to HTPCs, but I wouldn't. HTPCs are
susceptible to viruses, security vulnerabilities, they clearly do not have the
VXP video scaler the kscape has, they're much slower than the kscape, and
they're more difficult to control. Oh yeah, and the kscape has the best title
lookup of anything I've seen, movies start up at the title screen instead of
sitting through FBI warnings, but the DVD menu is still accessible. The system
is very fast, very responsive, and very reliable.

I have gripes. For example I
wish it would allow you to load music to the hard drive directly instead of
having to put the CD physically in the drive (what about iTunes and HDGiants
downloads?). It doesn't support Blu-ray (yet). It should have Rhapsody, Netflix
or some other online service (Kaleidescape says they're looking to add these at
some point).

But, I would rather have a product built specifically for its
given task than using a PC.
Mike Flacy     |2009-04-10 16:36:36
Hi Steven,

I'm aware of the legal battle back in 2007. With the light details
on the Blu-Laser player, I'm assuming they haven't solidified the details on how
Managed Copy will be handled within the Kaleidescape system.

The servers
are obviously capable of handling HD content, it's just a question of licensing
at this point. From the impression I got, it's still a possibility the content
will be stored rather than simply played via disc.

And I agree with your
comment on the differing level of quality of the Kaleidescape over a HTPC
alternative. I've yet to see an HTPC in the same league.
Beejay  - Storing BR media on K-systems   |2009-04-10 19:57:17
Further to what Steven K. says. Kaleidescape has been almost adament to this
point that BR media can be stored on a K system with software implementation.
The software implementation will come when the licensing issues have been
resolved. Let the content protection licensing issues not delay the hardware
release!
oslotoy  - Waiting now for my own Kaleidescape   |2009-04-11 19:49:46
After resisting several years, and failing to implement useable HTPC, even with
5TB synapse gear... 3U, 2 players, coming up ! Glad got that behind me.
James  - Only for Non Geeks   |2009-04-13 08:41:20
Give me a break. Not withstanding it's user interface, you can exceed this
performance by a lot less money using an HTPC. Specially now that Slyplayer is
about to hit the market.
Steven Kippel  - Can't get the same performance out of a PC   |2009-04-13 16:23:32
Kaleidescape is hopeful Blu-ray will be stored on the hard drives, but so far
they have not promised this. Of course when they get the legal matters handled
it's just the matter of a software revision. Of course you'll more than likely
need to be on a gigabit network to pass 1080p/24fps.

James,

You must be joking
to think you can "exceed" the performance of a Kaleidescape System with
a HTPC. Like I said before, the VXP video scaler in the kscape players are not
available to PCs. PC video processors, as powerful as they are, are not made for
movies. Secondly, Kaleidescape uses proprietary Ethernet packet delivery (as the
founders came from Network Appliance and CacheFlow).

I also mentioned the title
of which lookup which Kaleidescape has no peer.
Phil Murphy  - "The Boy With Kaleidescape Eyes"   |2009-04-21 15:07:49
Yes, that boy was me ... with apologies to Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
... I checked out the full Kaleidescap system at my local dealer. If you
haven't, go do it - it is phenomenal.

If you are like me however, your next
step will be to get all bummed-out about the price tag - WAY out of my league,
and I own some pretty decent equipment from Classe (SSP-600, CDP-102), B&W
(Matrix 803s, 805s, DS6s and ASW850)

I can't see a 5-figure investment in
this technology ... unless I hit Powerball
Toby Payne  - President   |2009-04-21 16:41:42
I compared Kaleidescape and ReQuest and went with ReQuest because
1. Price Point
was 1/3rd of Kaleidescape and now Kscape catches up.
2. Much better GUIE and my
clients love it.
3. Expandable with any raid drive. I am not tied to the
manufacture.
Audiolib  - Russound SMC     |2009-04-21 17:42:21
Russound, a competitive brand who I believe has marketshare over K-scape, has
launched their own version called SMC that runs on Vista Media Center. Still
pricey, but it seems comparable to the mini.
Rick Creel  - The Truth     |2009-04-23 06:31:59
Looking at all previous comments, I understand both sides of the issues. A main
issue we have always had with Kaleidescape was price points. True, before the
mini-system, it was hard to get some clients into Kscape. Especially was this
the case when there were similar systems available for 1/2 the price or less.
However, the keyword here is "similar". In actuality, although those
"similar" systems had "similar" operating features, overall
Kscape beat them hands down with many of its features which the competition
could not touch. Now with the new mini-system, they are well withing the market
reach. True, many people still may not be able to afford this cost. Here again,
this product is designed for professionals and those that want the most from
their home theater and sound system.


Video scalers can be purchased
seperately and added to other PC components, etc. However, do you know how much
these scalers cost? With Kscape system having this already integrated, this is a
valuable asset to their commitment to consumers.

Piracy is an issue the movie
industry is continuously facing. Kscape cares about the industry as well and
protects it interests. They are a stand up company.

The new mini-system can
serve just as a player. You have the option to download or not once you insert
the CD/DVD.

As far as "exceeding performance", give me a break.
Individuals that feel this way truly have not compared systems systematically.
Kscape is a littly pricy, but as in all things, you get what you pay for. Can
you get a cheaper system? Sure. Will it have everything Kscape has? NO.

As
for the interface, Kscape is very user frinedly as well. Our clients love it as
well, although we do also sale Request systems. Here again, dollar for dollar,
Kscape does offer more and is the "preferred" system by clients that can
afford it. In fact, our clients have the opportunity to see different systems.
When it comes to choice and if they can afford it, Kscape is the clients choice.
Now that the new mini-system has mad the price points comparable, we can't see
clients wanting anything else.

Just so everyone knows, I can't afford the
Ksacpe myself. I have a little DVD player hooked to my TV. Still, if I had my
personal theater, I would definately want the Kscape. In fact, that's what we
put into our showroom.
Toby Payne  - ReQuest The Truth   |2009-04-23 07:48:51
After working with ReQuest and Kscape I have found that our clients prefer
ReQuest because of.

1. Price is 1/3 the cost.

2. ReQuest has NetSync that
allows us to sync multiple music and video between our vacation home and main
home and office and only load it once.

3. ReQuest has Finetune which allows us
to stream a playlist and control it.

4. ReQuest has Classical Music Mode which
we Love it allows us to only get Classical Music stream.

5. Request has NetSync
for iTunes we have 4 iPods syncing now and it works great. If I buy a new tune
it shows up in all of my library's at the same time. Its Great. I also love that
I can access all of my music anywhere with any web browser thru My.Request.com I
listen to my music at home in my hotel room while I am on the road.

KScape
looks and works great but for the above reasons I went with ReQuest.

Oh I
forgot to mention that Kscape did not allow me to use another suppliers RAID
storage and with ReQuest I could. That alone saved me thousands.


Thanks and
Take Care
Briain   |2009-05-06 09:10:31
Hi

When you watch the sales video, the ReQuest initially looks fabulous, but
when you've actually seen what the Kscape really can do (including the
re-grouping of all covers to match various 'like' selection criteria) you
realise just how well sorted the Kscape scheme actually is. Sadly it's out of my
price range, but having attended a one-day technical seminar on its
capabilities, I can easily see why it's the top system from both a technical
perspective and for end user experience (GUI etc).

I also had initial concerns
about their price strategy (the high cost of additional disks and the inability
to use off the shelf replacements). My thoughts are that this not only funds the
service wrap (they remote monitor disk SMART statistics and send a replacement
disk out as soon as they see something suspicious) but also pays for the teams
they have who write the extended metadata which augment the basic stuff you get
from the likes of AMG (they even rescan the cover art to ensure it
Briain   |2009-05-06 09:14:04
Not sure why that got cropped but here's the end bit

...likes of AMG (they even
rescan the cover art to ensure it
Briain   |2009-05-06 09:17:11
It missed even more text out that time, there was a whole paragraph lost; I give
in. :)
Jonas Santana  - Português   |2009-05-13 04:59:40
Há possibilidade de editar esta página para a língua portuguesa (Brasil). Não
consigo entender nada!
Michael  - HTPC   |2009-05-19 07:52:21
Kaleidescape do not have HDMI 1.3, do not play/pass new audio HD formats.
I
built a decent HTPC system with quad-core processor, 4GB RAM and ASUS XONAR
HDAV1.3 sound card and NVIDIA 9600GT video card.

I have top performance DVDO
VP50pro outboard video processor (sells for ~2000 USD).

But I do not even use
it with HTPC. Picture quality coming from HTPC is outstanding, high-resolution
sound is incredible, machine is very quiet as I carefully chose the cooling
components

Some comments on this talkback are pathetic:
- of course you do not
need 1 GBit/sec network for blu-ray, which maximum is 40MBit/sec.
- HTPC is
slow? When playing back blu-ray title the CPU does not go beyond 5%..

My system
is expensive by HTPC standards.. It costs 1500 US$

I have a server with 3TB in
RAID-5 in the server room.. Well, it is another 2000 US$

I have also DVICO
TVIX6500A player (400 US$) in my bedroom... I have SqueezeBox3 and Logitech
Transporter all connected to the same server..

You know.. if you need to go for
out of the box solution without bothering with HTPC, buy SageTV.. 200$ per
player, 100$ (?) for software, that's it.
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