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Old 06-09-2009   #7
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They reflect about as heavy as an LCD possibly can. And yes, these "LED" sets are "LCD" sets with LED back lighting in case anyone does not understand that. These are great sets but the have a very glossy coating and they do reflect. The black levels are outstanding for LCD and so is the color.

Unfortunately, Samsung's entry level 720p plasma has a better picture. That is just how it is....sorry to say......

Plasma is still impossible to beat with LED.....LCD....or a PHD......
They do have a glossy coating, but it does not appear as objectionable as I thought it would in my setting. The east wall in my living room is almost completely constructed of full size windows, and a portion of the north is open to a dining area. The set is located on the south facing wall.

I dissagree with your other observations. There was a Samsung plasma sitting immediately to the left of the the LED set I was looking at (I have no idea of the video mode capability), and a Pioneer Kuro at the other end of the same wall. I viewed these on multiple occasions and on every one, the LED looked better - No dull orange tinged reds, and flesh tones were right. and the whites were hot. When any ambient light was added to the mix, it was far and away the best picture. My wife thought so too.

This set is not what I ultimately want for this area, but I believe it to be the best compromise possible at this time. I wish it were larger, and I really wanted a projector. I want a color laser driven one, because those costly bulb replacements and nasty color wheel rainbow effects would drive me nuts.
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I spent about an hour in a BestBuy settting up a UN55B8000 in a seated demo area on June 7. The environment was adequate for the purpose, with relatively little interference from glare, etc. BBC Planet Earth was the main demo on a Denon BR.

Overall, the picture is great and my first candidate for purchase.
After a previous look at the white 'x' on a black screen and reading that it could be effectively removed with adjustments, I wanted to see what I could do.

The result? It is possible to remove the glowing 'x' effect by reducing the 'neon sign' demo settings to more accurate ones, albeit with loss of brightness almost down to plasma levels. The mottling of high brightness areas remains, but to a lesser degree also. One artifact does not go away, however. There remains a dark diagonal line at each corner, surrounded by a brighter glow. This is what remains of the 'x' glow of the uneven backlight, and this effect shows up on lots of images with relatively dim corners. It could be eliminated by covering about three inches of the screen edges with a mask, a totally unacceptable solution for obvious reasons.

The glow seems to be the result of the attempt to make the screen surround as small as possible and could likely be greatly reduced in a larger, thicker frame by moving the edge light sources a bit further away. "Thin is in" as one reviewer said, but this one has gone too far.

I'm still not sure whether the compromise is acceptable or whether I should buy a plasma until the blue twist (normal drive 240 hz, 3D slot) displays come out or wait even further (probably not) for the big OLED screens in a couple of years. Both new formats are coming now that announcements have been made about lower cost manufacturing solutions. I want my toy now but the Kuro is questionable from the standpoint of power, price and longevity and the DILA projectors (JVC HD100) a bit impractical and expensive.

Thoughts on this, anyone?
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I spent about an hour in a BestBuy settting up a UN55B8000 in a seated demo area on June 7. The environment was adequate for the purpose, with relatively little interference from glare, etc. BBC Planet Earth was the main demo on a Denon BR.

Overall, the picture is great and my first candidate for purchase.
After a previous look at the white 'x' on a black screen and reading that it could be effectively removed with adjustments, I wanted to see what I could do.

The result? It is possible to remove the glowing 'x' effect by reducing the 'neon sign' demo settings to more accurate ones, albeit with loss of brightness almost down to plasma levels. The mottling of high brightness areas remains, but to a lesser degree also. One artifact does not go away, however. There remains a dark diagonal line at each corner, surrounded by a brighter glow. This is what remains of the 'x' glow of the uneven backlight, and this effect shows up on lots of images with relatively dim corners. It could be eliminated by covering about three inches of the screen edges with a mask, a totally unacceptable solution for obvious reasons.

The glow seems to be the result of the attempt to make the screen surround as small as possible and could likely be greatly reduced in a larger, thicker frame by moving the edge light sources a bit further away. "Thin is in" as one reviewer said, but this one has gone too far.

I'm still not sure whether the compromise is acceptable or whether I should buy a plasma until the blue twist (normal drive 240 hz, 3D slot) displays come out or wait even further (probably not) for the big OLED screens in a couple of years. Both new formats are coming now that announcements have been made about lower cost manufacturing solutions. I want my toy now but the Kuro is questionable from the standpoint of power, price and longevity and the DILA projectors (JVC HD100) a bit impractical and expensive.

Thoughts on this, anyone?
On totally black content I do see some light in the corners also, but I have adjusted most of it out, and my viewing environment is bright enough not to notice it. I have also noticed some light pumping too as the amount of light content on the screen is raised and lowered, using the default settings. The best way to observe this is with scrolling whit text such as end of film credits. As more of the text is scrolled on, the whole body of text brightens, and as it scrolls off the whole body of text darkens. This particular effect is supposed to be eliminated in the 9000 series sets that have a "Local dimming" feature. Both of these artifacts are less objectional to me than the RBG rainbow effects I see every time I look at a DLP, and I was surprised to see in the Kuro plasma. I concur with your power and longivity consens too.

I spent a short time watching a Mitsubishi Laserview that totally blew me away, but the screen size was too small for the current price, and there were just none to be had when I was ready to buy. I'd really like to see that technology applied to a projector.
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Unfortunately, Samsung's entry level 720p plasma has a better picture. That is just how it is....sorry to say......

Plasma is still impossible to beat with LED.....LCD....or a PHD......
Sorry, you're wrong on this, especially with the 720p comment.

Plasma is not dead because it has a much better picture than everything else. . . yeah, right.

I guess the plasma manufacturers are happy that people like you exist so they can have some one to buy their excess inventory.

If you want to buy dead-ended, inferior technology to save a couple of bucks, then get a plasma.
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Sorry, you're wrong on this, especially with the 720p comment.

Plasma is not dead because it has a much better picture than everything else. . . yeah, right.

I guess the plasma manufacturers are happy that people like you exist so they can have some one to buy their excess inventory.

If you want to buy dead-ended, inferior technology to save a couple of bucks, then get a plasma.
Talented mister Rlpiii............You don't know what you are talking about. I have forgotten more in the last 5 minutes than you will ever know about televisions. When they took your avitar picture were you walking toward the camera or away from it? I can't tell.
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Talented mister Rlpiii............You don't know what you are talking about. I have forgotten more in the last 5 minutes than you will ever know about televisions. When they took your avitar picture were you walking toward the camera or away from it? I can't tell.
Attack the opinion not the opinionator. Thanks.
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