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rex 03-19-2008 07:26 PM

Upconverting CSS encrypted DVD's
 
I have read that encrypted DVD's will not be upconverted via HDMI on most upconverting players, and that the only way to upconvert these titles is to first make a backup copy (removing the encryption). Can anyone confirm this?
I don't undestand why the encryption would make any difference. After all, the DVD has to be decrypted before displaying the contents, regardless of the type of encryption used. Furthermore, a good HDTV should automatically "upconvert" all input signals to its native resolution. Can anyone shed further light on this? Thanks.
If this is true, then the value of upconverting players is greatly diminished.

faberryman 03-19-2008 07:35 PM

Re: Upconverting DSS encrypted DVD's
 
I believe that upconverting player upconvert copy protected discs over HDMI but not over component. The powers that be don't want consumers to copy upconverted DVDs from the component outputs, though I have no earthly idea why anyone would want to do so or even if there is recording equipment that accepts component inputs.

rex 03-20-2008 09:50 PM

Upconverting DSS encrypted DVD's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by faberryman (Post 13021)
I believe that upconverting player upconvert copy protected discs over HDMI but not over component. The powers that be don't want consumers to copy upconverted DVDs from the component outputs, though I have no earthly idea why anyone would want to do so or even if there is recording equipment that accepts component inputs.

If this is true, then it is very strange indeed. BD players output 720p/1080i via component, but an upconverting DVD player won't! This just doesn't make any sense!
(I realize that once the ICT is implemented (>2012) BD component outputs will no longer work, presumably by then everyone should have a HDCP compliant display.)

faberryman 03-21-2008 06:39 AM

Re: Upconverting DSS encrypted DVD's
 
"This just doesn't make any sense!"

Since DVDs don't have a flag to turn on, they treat copy-protected DVDs as-if the flag were turned on. It's stupid.

rex 03-21-2008 08:56 AM

Re: Upconverting encrypted DVD's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by faberryman (Post 13069)
"This just doesn't make any sense!"

Since DVDs don't have a flag to turn on, they treat copy-protected DVDs as-if the flag were turned on. It's stupid.

faberryman,
Thanks for the info/clarification. I, myself, have one of the early Samsung DLP displays (model HLN617W). Sadly, most consumers have no idea that their displays will become worthless once the BD flags are activated! Very sneaky of them to implement ICT while delaying activation of the flags, like that!
Also, FYI, there appear to be at least some players that won't upscale over HDMI. Here is a quote from a post on another forum:
"I really mean that CSS encrypted DVDs won't be upscaled over HDMI. Lot's of people are shocked by that, but it's true. It may depend on the player, but I have a Toshiba that definitely will NOT output upscaled content over HDMI from encrypted DVDs. The player tells me so on the TV that it will only send out 480p because the content is encrypted and my only connection to the TV from the player is HDMI."

rex 03-21-2008 02:48 PM

Re: Upconverting encrypted DVD's
 
This is the reply I received (very quickly, almost immediately) from OPPO about this question:
The DV-970HD, DV-980H and DV-983H supports component based upconversion, but are restricted to 480p if the source material is CSS-encrypted. Almost all commercially mastered DVDs support CSS-encryption. There are third party firmware which will defeat the CSS compliance on the DV-970HD, but these firmware are not supported by OPPO Digital, Inc.

There is no known firmware which will remove CSS compliance on the DV-980H and DV-983H.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.


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