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Old 02-15-2008   #247
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Maybe they pulled a Tyler Durden on you guys and replaced a frame here and their that said if HD DVD does not survive go download.
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Old 02-15-2008   #248
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One thing is for sure, this war benefits no one. And in the end, its the non audiofile/videofile, who might had been interested in stepping out to the high end, is now more frustrated then ever before.

Remember, there are those throngs of people who bought all those Toshiba HD DVD players in November. If Blu-Ray does do what everyone is predicting, there will be a lot of bitter people.
Why, does this A/V industry, continue to shoot itself in the foot?
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I haven't bought a CD in about 4 years. All of my music is digitally delivered (downloads or Sirius) and once I get an ipod controller for my wife's car, there will be no need to even burn CD's any more.

So yes there is a problem. Once someone makes it easy enough to get me a digital copy of a movie with good quality, my DVD buying will stop. I knew this going into all of this and went with the in between technology that I felt had the best value.
No there's not a problem.

The original post suggested that BDs would not be available in the future because of downloading. My point was that downloading hasn't stopped *THE AVAILABILITY* of CDs for those who wish to purchase them, just as it won't stop the availability of BD.

Those who wish to purchase downloaded music or video are free to do so. Those who wish to purchase disc-based media can do so.

There's no problem. Both are available to each type of consumer. Which medium you choose for yourself is irrelevent to the conversation.
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If it's irrelevent, then why are you chastising me for deciding I'd rather wait for downloads than embracing a format I do not believe in?

I've got a pretty fat internet pipe coming into my place so I'm ready to roll, all I need is the content.
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Well, I think we have a while to wait on the download tip. We have the smoke to clear first, on the format war. Then, there will be the inevitable issues with the movie companies. Not tomention the speed and bandwith needed and required to make it all work efficiently and reliably.

Then, of course, get the buy in for all the consumers out there. And with all the mess the format war has created, this will not be as easy as you might think. I think it will be a good wait.
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Downloading content keeps getting brought out as the killer of both formats. I think this is a long way off (both formats may still die but I don't think it is downloading that will kill them). There are a few reasons for this. The first relates to internet infrastructure. Many people simply don't have nearly the bandwidth required to access HD downloads in anything approaching reasonable download times. In many areas in rural Canada (where I live) dial up is still the only reasonably priced option for internet. The faster options (I currently have a variation of HughesNet satellite internet) are prohibitively expensive for most users (it costs $1000 up front in hardware and $60 per month). The next bottle neck is getting the content from your home PC to the TV. Many people have no idea how such a connection would occur and really aren't interested in setting up the network required for such a thing. It is not realistic for a group of techno geeks like ourselves to expect that the general public will put up with the terrible ergonomics of most HTPC's in order to get something they don't even know that they nead (HD online). While more user friendly solutions like Apple TV will eventually impact on this problem, the mass penetration of that technology is likely years off. While downloads may be a big issue for the techno geeks that populate this forum (my self included so don't get angry at the term, where it with pride), I simply don't think that it will impact the general public for years.

I think one of the biggest issues with the HD battle is price. The HD DVD camp has managed to get the price down to something the market will allow (remember it has to appeal to the masses, simply appealing to high enders like those on this forum cannot sustain a format) but then it's studio support diappears. Blu Ray can't seem to get anywhere close to a price that the market will allow but gets all the studio support. To me this seems like a recipe for both formats to fall.

I still haven't taken the plunge because my wife has a HUGE thing against format wars but I think the HD DVD players may be cheap enough that I can bring one in the house without her noticing. I will probably get a Blu_ray as well but may wait a bit longer on that purchase until there prices come down a bit further or someone finally introduces a truly high end Blu Ray player. Before you say I am just a cheapskate that isn't willing to step up to the plate to support his hobby, I have almost $50 000 invested in my HT electronic and have a room being built with custom acoustics from ASC to house it in. I simply don't like spending money on things that don't make sense. All the players introduced so far (with perhaps the exception of the Pioneer Elite BD players and the new Sony ES player) seem to belong in the $100-200 range and at least the HD DVD camp has had the good sense to sell price there product accordingly.

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