Could Warner Bros. Abandon HD DVD in 2008?

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

In some cases Amazon has provided BOGO sales of "catalog" BD/HD DVDs that have been released months earlier, and so the shift in sales figures is in those cases is more subtle because they don't affect a high-profile new-release title.

The BOGO the BDA put on during Transformers week moved many catalog titles into Neilsen / VideoScan’s top 10 for that week. If you’re going to belittle HD DVD sales because of the BOGO, then perhaps you should also admit that HD DVD only lost Transformers week because of the BDA BOGO.

Anyway, like Lotus has been saying for over a month, like the BD insiders are saying now, the sales are close enough that it doesn’t matter. The highest bidder is getting Warner, plain and simple.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Blu-Ray Festival 2007. There they admitted the yields were that low.

So no evidence....I thought as much.

Funny how no other member of the 50 guests from the media that attended the BD Event 2007 were told this.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

So no evidence....I thought as much.

Funny how no other member of the 50 guests from the media that attended the BD Event 2007 were told this.

The evidence is in their PRs. Read between the lines.

As for your last sentence don't make things up. Obviously others heard it.

Is it news worthy?

No. Why on earth would anyone report on something old that didn't matter?

I suppose if they had an agenda to bash BD they might. Again it would be pointless.

Kind of just like it's pointless now, but you still want to talk about it because perhaps it steers the conversation clear of the fact that Warners has yet to make a decision and software sales are catching up?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

If a large retailer promoted a sale of any just-released A-List dual-format title on one format only, and did not offer/promote the sale of the same title on the other format, I would not consider that to provide meaningful Neilson sales-ratio data for *that* title for that period. This is regardless of which-format the sale would favor.

Ok so we're clear on this, you're stating the 1.2:1 lead that Nielsen reported HP having should not be considered for that week because the BD was part of a BOGO at Best Buy but the HD DVD was not?

So for two weeks Best Buy did that. Then this past week they did the BTGO that included the HP films (while Amazon had their BOGO).

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Lotus

The evidence is in their PRs. Read between the lines.

As for your last sentence don't make things up. Obviously others heard it.

Is it news worthy?

No. Why on earth would anyone report on something old that didn't matter?

I suppose if they had an agenda to bash BD they might. Again it would be pointless.

Kind of just like it's pointless now, but you still want to talk about it because perhaps it steers the conversation clear of the fact that Warners has yet to make a decision and software sales are catching up?

Actually I'm not making anything up, I've chatted with numerous people that were at the event and no-one heard anything about disc replication.

Are you now saying that you need to "read between the lines" to hear about how it was 30-40% on BD50's recently? Which lines are you reading between? I don't see it.

I want to talk about it because I don't see anything that backs up your opinion and I do see lots of evidence that backs up my opinion, which is why I have that opinion.

You say you're aware of what the BD50 ratios were at the start of summer (even though Vaughn agrees they were higher than what he initially claimed which was around 50%) yet my first post here was to rebut the fact that you said only three factories replicating BD50 and they are all Sony's, which is incorrect as there were 7 factories capable of BD50 replication at the time, so you'll have to excuse me if I find you to be ill-informed on BD replication statistics.

As for software sales, can you explain how they are catching up?

Start of 2007
45:55

End of 1st Quarter
56:44

End of 2nd Quarter
59:41

End of 3rd Quarter
61:39

As of December 16th, 2007
62:38

How is that catching up? Blu-ray started the year with 45% of the market and now has 62%?? That's a 17% increase in market share for software since January 1st, 2007.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Ok so we're clear on this, you're stating the 1.2:1 lead that Nielsen reported HP having should not be considered for that week because the BD was part of a BOGO at Best Buy but the HD DVD was not?

So for two weeks Best Buy did that. Then this past week they did the BTGO that included the HP films (while Amazon had their BOGO).

Sorry but are you saying that Best Buy did a Blu-ray only BOGO for two weeks straight that included Harry Potter and didn't do anything on HD DVD?

I wonder why no-one reported this! I keep my eye open for all the deals and I don't see anything online about the sale you're reporting.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/tags/show/Best_Buy

The only one I see is the BOGO for both formats that started on December 16th which had HP on both formats - http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...,_Blu-ray/1270

Qualifying Blu-ray discs:

28 Weeks Later ($29.99)
300 ($29.99)
Are We Done Yet? ($29.99)
The Condemned ($29.99)
Crank ($29.99)
The Departed ($29.99)
Fantastic 4: Rise Of The Silver Surfer ($34.99)
Harry Potter & Order Of The Phoenix Blu-Ray ($32.99)
Hostel: Part II ($29.99)
Mr. & Mrs. Smith ($34.99)
Mr. Brooks ($34.99)
Ocean’s Thirteen ($29.99)
SAW III ($29.99)
Spider-Man 3 ($29.99)
Underworld: Evolution ($29.99)

Qualifying HD DVD discs:

300 ($34.99)
Arctic Tale ($34.99)
Blades Of Glory ($29.99)
The Bourne Ultimatum
The Departed HD-DVD ($34.99)
Disturbia ($29.99)
Evan Almighty ($19.99)
Harry Potter & Order Of The Phoenix ($32.99)
I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry ($29.99)
Knocked Up: Unrated ($19.99)
Mr. Bean’s Holiday ($29.99)
Ocean’s Thirteen ($34.99)
Shooter HD-DVD ($34.99)
Shrek The Third ($29.99)
Transformers ($29.99)

and the new 3 for 2 deal at Best Buy starting on Dec 23rd which was for HD DVD only

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh..._Best_Buy/1298

Included among the eligible titles are such top-sellers as 'The Bourne Ultimatum,' 'Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix' and 'Transformers'