Could Warner Bros. Abandon HD DVD in 2008?

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

It's not personal at all - it reveals the source of much of the misinformation that is being propagated on people in this very thread.

As for AVS, they protect HD DVD shills over there, anyone can see that.

Why else would talkstr8t be the ONLY Blu-ray insider to still post there while Max, Penton, Paid, etc., only post at BD.com?

Then post it at BD.com

RDJAM doesn't post here thank god.

It seems really personal. You're making him look bad and calling him names. He doesn't even post here! It looks like a vendetta. It has nothing to do with this thread. No one has ever quoted him or even pointed to his websites.

Unless you're implying I'm one of his sources or something. Which I'm not. I don't post on other sites and never have. My primary reason for being here is a love of AVREV since they were AUDIOREVOLUTION.COM . They told it how it was and to this day don't do reviews in the insanely stupid ways everyone else does of rating them. I've respected Jerry for years and enjoyed the opportunity to talk about reviews and everything else on this forum with them personally. It's been a great experience except for these threads.

This was a friendly thread with people posting about the horribly stupid format war.

You came on and got really harsh about data posted here. You've said things just because the information seems to upset you. No matter how accurate they were. Sony has claimed that yield numbers were in the 30% to 40% range early on before reaching their current 70% to 80% range. They also said just last month that for the majority of the year their 3 lines were the only ones doing BD50. BD also continues to cost more.

This seemed to upset you so you posted tons about it. You refuse to see a picture that is any different than your own. You point out a BD producer said the numbers to HIM were negligable. So therefor it must be for everyone. I think the price difference between a honda and Porsche are "negligable." Do you think everyone else does?

This was a friendly site and thus people made errors because we're not AVS forum. None of us claim to be insiders. None of us work for Sony, Toshiba, Microsoft, or anything else. We just post about it with our opinions and what we've heard.

Guess what? The majority of people may have heard poorly. That doesn't mean you come on here and treat them all like they're some AVS agenda motived person.

We're not that. So treat them like they're good people who would love to know better without being treated poorly.

I wasn't repeating BD's poor yield numbers because of an agenda. I was pointing out why Warners may not abandon HD DVD in 2008 in my opinion. You called me a liar, and it turns out at least according to Sony I was actually right.

I'm not David Vaughan. I'm not RDJAM. I'm not AMIR.

I have no horse in this race. Nobody who posts here claims to and nobody here claims to have an agenda.

This whole thread has gone out of control. Now we have people attacking members of other forums!

I'm truly sorry to you, to Moose, to DaViD for having played any part in starting any mean spirited arguements with any of you.

This is not why I came here. I doubt it is for the others too.

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

I have found the most reliable person in terms of inside information to be Penton Man who is deeply involved in Hollywood. He was the first and only person to make mention of the Paramount payoff before it was annoucned by Viacom the next day.

If Disney were looking into HD DVD he would have posted it.

I'm sorry but I know who Penton Man is. I'm not going to over step my boundaries at all here. I will just say that he gets incredibly good information from one specific studio. If he heard about Disney it would be a rumor and he's not the type of person to post rumors.

As for his view of the Warners situation the other side has the same view. There again is a rumor of the Warners, Toshiba, Microsoft, and Universal meeting yesterday. If Warners is going BD we should have a good idea from Hollywood rumors that come up next week.

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

However you should all know that MS will try and do everything they can to *corrupt* the decision that Warner will make in the best interests of ending the format war and allowing HDM to head towards mass market adoption and that can only mean the death of HD DVD.

This is why your posts, and those of insiders, can't be taken seriously. In what business do marketing agreements not include financial incentives, either via hard or soft dollars, and maybe some form of exclusivity? Categorizing a contract that is mutually beneficial to both parties as "bribery", "corruption", or "shady" just shows that (1) you have never worked at a level to either negotiate contracts or see contract terms, (2) you just regurgitate the sour grapes of competitors who didn't offer the best terms at negotiation time.

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Originally Posted by Lotus

You came on and got really harsh about data posted here. You've said things just because the information seems to upset you. No matter how accurate they were. Sony has claimed that yield numbers were in the 30% to 40% range early on before reaching their current 70% to 80% range. They also said just last month that for the majority of the year their 3 lines were the only ones doing BD50. BD also continues to cost more.

They have never said they were the only ones doing BD50's and they never stated 30-40%.
Over a year ago they were claiming 79% on BD50's.
I will look up the link in the morning - my new fiancee will kill me if I post anymore anywhere tonight.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Lotus

As for his view of the Warners situation the other side has the same view. There again is a rumor of the Warners, Toshiba, Microsoft, and Universal meeting yesterday. If Warners is going BD we should have a good idea from Hollywood rumors that come up next week.

According to someone who always seems aware of what's going on at wb, insider MaxPower mentioned this about the meeting:

Which is where MS asked for exclusive rights for Live to be included in any deal that they would be involved in. I think that was when WB clicked that Michael Bay was right.

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

According to someone who always seems aware of what's going on at wb, insider MaxPower mentioned this about the meeting:

They already have Warner signed for Live why would they ask for it again? Warner has been releasing to Live (an extension of their XBOX Live service but for computers) for awhile now.

So you're suggesting they're asking Warner not release to iTunes?

Interesting but it wouldn't seem to be the place to drop that on Warners. I know all about the conspiracy theory behind MS and it just doesn't make sense.

Downloads are not going to overtake HDM anytime soon. They can however reach a different market. The type of people who download vs the type of consumer that is the early HDM adopter.

MS is definately interested in supplying Live with support so that in the future (5 years or so) they're fully prepared and already have a large catalog, etc. in place. I'm sure they want to beat iTunes as well.

It all comes down to the perps that either side are putting in their negotiations. As I said long ago Warners is obviously for sale, but since I'm not in their meetings and neither is anyone who posts anywhere...

We don't know what they're going to do. If Sales don't matter as some "Insiders," now claim then it all comes down to who is willing to make the best deal.