Could Warner Bros. Abandon HD DVD in 2008?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

What's the matter PRO? Cat got your tongue?

You've stated that only Blu does BOGO and the biggest selling HDM of all time is an HD DVD, you said that anyone with an IQ of 50 could figure this much out....yet....both these things are wrong as I've shown -- do you have a rebuttal or do you stand corrected? Perhaps before you make quips about necessary IQ levels, rocket science and idiocy you might want to verify the facts?

Do you want to post the top 10 films as of say December 23rd?

Or is October 21st just about the best you can do?

[Lotus]

A real interesting fact is that this thread was rated four stars.

Then Dobyblue started posting.

It's now 2 stars.

[JerryDelColliano]

Lotus,

Its the holidays - can you take it easy on the other guys for a day or so please?

Leave these guys some room to argue their points too and try NOT to make it personal - please!

[Lotus]

Doby:

Quit posting nonsense. Nobody from Warner with any kind of position talks to you. They aren't breaking an NDA for "a member of the general public," and to suggest such a thing shows everyone just how full of it you are.

You want to compare apples to rocks. You can't even compare fruit to fruit. To even suggest the music industry is anything like the movie industry is well an uneducated assumption.

Why you love to bash the 1M playerbase as being important is that in the film industry it is important.

You act like Disney only cares about bandwidth. You're wrong the only thing they care about right now is REGION CODING. It has nothing to do with bandwidth. Do they care enough about region coding to not go neutral if HD DVD hits 1M standalones and has a 2:1 edge over BD?

The VP might not. You know who isn't going to care?

SAG, WGA, DGA, and about 11 investment firms and some private investors.

The most important point is the investment firms. They help pay for the movies.

You see market analysis shows that video markets with early adopters are capable of buying over 50% of total market size in product for big hits. For your average title it's around 8% to 12%.

Those firms and big investors get between 10% and 20% of the cash the studio makes on the film in video. You have big actors and directors who make huge chunks too.

However in this case it's the investors who matter. You see current reports state that if the other side had 1M standalone players they would be losing around $6M annually.

Guess what they care about that $6M. I can guarantee you that big investor has been on the phone with Bob Iger. He has said "Bob, come on, I know you got your reasons, but I want that $6M next year."

Then he threatens to invest less in 2008. If Disney went a year without releasing to a 1M standalone market you'd also start getting Agents calling on behalf of their clients.

The longest a Studio like Disney can hold out is a year. At that point if BD hasn't whiped away HD DVD they would be forced to go neutral. It's totally out of their hands if a format makes a serious market share. Because a semi-healthy market at this stage should double in a year. So that 1M standalone market becomes a 2M standalone market at worst and around 3M at best. $12M is really hard for that investor to not get upset over.

As far as Warners is concerned right now they have no investors complaining. I know for a fact that Warners has heard how good things are looking. Now the pressure on "Jeff," is to grow both markets faster and increase value in both.

His job is not to **** off investors.

That is what DISNEY and FOX have to work with. It's very much why one if not both will be neutral by 2009.

Which is good for BOTH formats. The other thing you neglect to understand is that BD won't go anywhere. The PS3 will keep it from ever dying a horrible death. It just won't destroy HD DVD. There is room for two formats.

The sooner more studios go neutral the better for the health of market growth for both.

So we should see a change in 2008 but it won't however be Warners turning its back on a 1M+ standalone market when the competition is half its size. We should be seeing Jeff and Warners trying to unite the Studios in 2008.

The war has proven to be a horrible thing and they must find a way to stop the bitter BS. They have to find a way to entice consumers into investing in the Formats.

So perhaps people like you should stop looking at it as a War and instead of preaching for a side like an enraged idiot take the high ground like a man and start preaching unity and a "buy what makes you happy," outlook.

Because I guarantee people read your posts filled with hate and are turned off by the format wars more than they may already of been. So do Blue a favor and become a polite realist who wants his format to suceed instead of undermining it.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Do you want to post the top 10 films as of say December 23rd?

Or is October 21st just about the best you can do?

The #1 selling title is still a Blu-ray.
What's your point?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Doby:

Quit posting nonsense. Nobody from Warner with any kind of position talks to you.

Yes they do actually, numerous times in the last fourteen months.

This thread is from January 3rd, 2007. - http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=1439

Read it and weep.

I also got the TrueHD/PCM version of Superman Returns without having to buy the Pioneer player. I scanned my copy and posted it here - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post10862420

I posted that Blood Diamond would have PCM on the Blu-ray version months before The Departed was announced with PCM (when all HD DVD fanboys were sure Warner would continue to shortchange the BD versions in the audio department) and five months before Blood Diamond's specs were announced. I supposed I discovered that from the janitor huh?

I suppose on April 11th when I was the first person on the internet to announce Blood Diamond it was because I was talking to an imaginary friend huh? - http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=6002


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