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Old 02-22-2008   #7
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Default Re: Blu-ray Wins! But The Real Format War Has Only Just Begun

See if this sounds familiar: SA-CD vs. DVD-Audio or BR vs HD-DVD.

Winner of the first battle is SA-CD. Or did it? This is still a fringe market/technology.

I think BR has a chance of going that route unless the price of players and discs are comparable to DVD and the average TV becomes very large to really notice a difference. Disc revisions and compatibility also seem to be a problems.

I use a Samsung DVD machine and upconvert to 720p on my 37". Looks very nice. BR may be better but not enough to make me want to upgrade.
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Default SACD vs. Blu-ray

I see why you said what you did but as someone who has been involved deeply in both format wars - please allow me to suggest it is a little different now.

SACD didn't win as it NEVER made it to the mainstream. Major's didn't replace CDs on the shelves with SACD(hybrids) etc... And its one of the reasons why they suffer today. No added value. Also SACD required MANY cables to work to its best, the players were expensive etc... It was just a failure overall based out of the fear of the labels.

Blu-ray is a $300 disc player that can CREAM an upconverting DVD player in terms of performance. One cable - right into your 37 inch LCD (a bigger one some day would give you more pixels to enjoy all that 1080p has to offer) would look significantly better and could give you high resolution surround that is something to behold if you have an HDMI 1.3 AV preamp (coming soon to a store near you this spring/summer).

Lastly - how about music on BR? Do you think the labels can figure this market out or is a 1/2 CD download the best they can accept for fear we might try to steal music instead of buying it?

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Listen, I`m just glad the format war is finally over. So now, lets let the smoke clear, and see how things progress, one day at time.
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I'm amazed - a thoughtful and accurate tech related article from the NYT! This is the first time that I can remember an article that spoke the truth about A/V quality from the Times. I do agree w/ the author much of this, but everyone seems to speak as if "there can be only one".

I own 2 Blu-Ray players and a Vudu box, a Linn Unidisk, and also use DirecTV PPV. You better believe that I will purchase/have purchased the BD versions of The Lord of the Rings, Unforgiven, Blade Runner, Ratatouille, etc. But for some movies, the compressed 720p Vudu version is just fine when I need instant gratification, or when my kid wants to watch TMNT (again!), or when the wife just *must* see the latest RomCom formulaic dreck. And I always record some of the great older flix on UniversalHD, MGMHD, HDNet Movies, etc. Remember when you just couldn't find ANY HD content? Finally, I've arrived a place where there is far more content than time to enjoy it.

In fact, regular DVD is still quite satisfying for the library of stuff that I already own but don't adore, or to get from Netflix to try new and adventerous stuff. For the unwashed masses, DVD will remain the dominant consumer format for quite some time due to bandwidth, cost, lack of education, the quality of inexpensive upscaling DVD players, etc.

Likewise, downloadable, overly-compressed, but uber-convenient downloadable content will find a large market beside DVD, without replacing it for many years, if ever. This will take a lot longer than tech pundits seem to realize. Anecdote is NOT evidence, so don't think that because you or I own Vudu or AppleTV and rock the FiOS that the Big-Mac scarfing public does, or even cares that they exist. There are a lot of people that think that downloads herald the end of physical media...just not true, for a long time at least.

Likewise, Blu-Ray will eventually find a comfortable market beside DVD and downloads. It will be the connoisseur's choice, like vinyl and SACD/DVD-Audio, but thankfully with a much more meaningful (but not overwhelming) market share. Remember, sitting 15' away from the average size TV, with the mediocre, uncallibrated av equipment that most people use, hi-def discs don't offer the difference from DVD that DVD did from VHS. We can only hope that substantial success for BRD will up the quality ante for downloads, and slow the train ride to mediocrity we are stuck on. That train rides on the rails of compressed MP3's and is powered by the engine of dynamic compression.
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I see why you said what you did but as someone who has been involved deeply in both format wars - please allow me to suggest it is a little different now.

SACD didn't win as it NEVER made it to the mainstream. Major's didn't replace CDs on the shelves with SACD(hybrids) etc... And its one of the reasons why they suffer today. No added value. Also SACD required MANY cables to work to its best, the players were expensive etc... It was just a failure overall based out of the fear of the labels.

Blu-ray is a $300 disc player that can CREAM an upconverting DVD player in terms of performance. One cable - right into your 37 inch LCD (a bigger one some day would give you more pixels to enjoy all that 1080p has to offer) would look significantly better and could give you high resolution surround that is something to behold if you have an HDMI 1.3 AV preamp (coming soon to a store near you this spring/summer).

Lastly - how about music on BR? Do you think the labels can figure this market out or is a 1/2 CD download the best they can accept for fear we might try to steal music instead of buying it?

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People are purchasing hdtv's in huge numbers, they will want the most from there new t.v. retailers will use blu ray players to show big hit movies, people will start walking out with not only new t.v's but new blu ray players. I can't tell you how many people I know that have recently bought a new t.v. that have also purchased a blu ray player or hd dvd player to get the most from the new t.v. It is just a matter of time.
I'm sorry to say, but I have had a completely different experience than this. If "most" people wanted the most out of their new TVs, the first thing they would do is get it properly calibrated. Yet, several friends and members of my own extended family don't even bother to set the user settings correctly...thinking torch mode gives them the best picture.

The idea that J6P, who just barrowed heavily to invest in his new microdisplay, is now going to just drop another $400 plus on his way out the door on a BP player isn't logical...especially if Mrs. J6P has anything to say about it. And as was already pointed out, most J6Ps who invested in 720/1080i displays aren't just going to unload these for the newer displays when the former was already a luxury investment that is probably still being paid off.

Heck, I have two Bro-in-Laws who have moved into the HT arena because of my interests in it (and of course, the way my system sounds when they come over). While each of them has bought into relatively modest sound systems, they both have gone hog-wild on the displays. The lawyer picked up 3 in one day for his house, while the other has gradually added more throughout his house.

Sadly, while I was able to drag one into the HDM fold about a year ago (he chose HD-DVD)...even setting him up with a great deal, the other was just fine with his upconverting DVD player. In fact, when I checked with the former a few months back to see how his HD collection was coming along, he said he still only had the 2 HD-DVDs I gave him because he wasn't going to pay $25-$30 for a movie when he can get it at half that on DVD. According to him, his X2 does a good enough job converting SD-DVDs.

I've always been a collector of movies--from VHS to LD to DVD and HD-DVD. But even here, my J6P friends give me grief about the size of my SD-DVD collection (that is until they want to barrow a movie). I've found out that as a movie-buff and even as just a SD-DVD collector over the years that I am in the minority (niche) among most the people I know; most of these people are fine just renting their movies. My only hope is that BD can still survive as a niche if that is what it has to do.
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