HD Disc Format War Not Over By a Long Shot

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by MoosePond

The war may not yet be over but I'd hate to have my future tied to HD-DVD at the moment. At CES last week it was obvious from their respective booths which format was garnering the most attention. The overly crowded Blu-ray booth was "happening" with a giant replica of a "Pirates" ship and lifesize Simpson's statues whereas the HD-DVD booth was boring and nearly deserted (despite a sign claiming that they had over 1,000 titles "worldwide").

That was all due to the WB announcement.

BD has always owned CES. This year they paid $500M in advertising and BD50 subsidation for it.

This was a good move because otherwise it would have been the biggest CES ever for HD-DVD. They did a good job of stopping the momentum. They kind of had to.

In the begining BD had 90% of the DVD market releasing on BD. Then it dropped to 70%. Meanwhile HD-DVD always had around 45%. Now it's 70% to 25%.

Before the month is over it will be either 95% to 25% or 60% to 35%.

Today from "rumors," in LA it's looking like 60% to 35% and a BIG studio looking at going neutral if that happens. Meaning 60% to 50% which is no real edge at all.

Then the price factor kicks in.

In the console war when it looked like MS would never amount to much they went and BOUGHT studios. Not as in "paid for exclusives," but bought the studio itself. Just as Sony did with Columbia.

[TheDuke]

Originally Posted by Lotus

That was all due to the WB announcement.

BD has always owned CES. This year they paid $500M in advertising and BD50 subsidation for it.

This was a good move because otherwise it would have been the biggest CES ever for HD-DVD. They did a good job of stopping the momentum. They kind of had to.

In the begining BD had 90% of the DVD market releasing on BD. Then it dropped to 70%. Meanwhile HD-DVD always had around 45%. Now it's 70% to 25%.

Before the month is over it will be either 95% to 25% or 60% to 35%.

Today from "rumors," in LA it's looking like 60% to 35% and a BIG studio looking at going neutral if that happens. Meaning 60% to 50% which is no real edge at all.

Then the price factor kicks in.

In the console war when it looked like MS would never amount to much they went and BOUGHT studios. Not as in "paid for exclusives," but bought the studio itself. Just as Sony did with Columbia.

Are these real rumors floating around or is this just wild speculation?? Is the HD dvd group trying hard to pull over more content providers?? could uni and para be waiting to see what toshiba does and if it can lure in another studio before they make up their mind on their stances and thats why they have not released any new info on titles?

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by Lotus

That was all due to the WB announcement.

BD has always owned CES. This year they paid $500M in advertising and BD50 subsidation for it.

This was a good move because otherwise it would have been the biggest CES ever for HD-DVD. They did a good job of stopping the momentum. They kind of had to.

In the begining BD had 90% of the DVD market releasing on BD. Then it dropped to 70%. Meanwhile HD-DVD always had around 45%. Now it's 70% to 25%.

Before the month is over it will be either 95% to 25% or 60% to 35%.

Today from "rumors," in LA it's looking like 60% to 35% and a BIG studio looking at going neutral if that happens. Meaning 60% to 50% which is no real edge at all.

Then the price factor kicks in.

In the console war when it looked like MS would never amount to much they went and BOUGHT studios. Not as in "paid for exclusives," but bought the studio itself. Just as Sony did with Columbia.

Lotus if hddvd gets that extras 10% of studio support you mention (that studio has been in financial trouble for quite some time) how likely do you think is it that the other bigger studio will go neutral?

[TheMoose]

Originally Posted by Lotus

This was a good move because otherwise it would have been the biggest CES ever for HD-DVD. They did a good job of stopping the momentum. They kind of had to.

Your kidding right?
They still had nothing there, besides canceling the press conference there was no support shown by sugar daddy Microsoft, No 51G TL disc, No xbox built in player & a deserted pavilion.
How would any of that add up to "the biggest CES ever for HD-DVD"
You would have thought they would have been pushing thier supporters to back them up & was the 51G TL disc vaporware or did they find out it would not play on any current players so they hid it?

[TheDuke]

Originally Posted by TheMoose

Your kidding right?
They still had nothing there, besides canceling the press conference there was no support shown by sugar daddy Microsoft, No 51G TL disc, No xbox built in player & a deserted pavilion.
How would any of that add up to "the biggest CES ever for HD-DVD"
You would have thought they would have been pushing thier supporters to back them up & was the 51G TL disc vaporware or did they find out it would not play on any current players so they hid it?

You obviously haven't researched what was happening going into ces.. you can call it FUD, or you can call it whatever you want but it's odd that several reliable sources say that hd dvd had a homerun lined up for hd dvd and sony and fox crashed the party. Say what you want about how this info has come to light, but it has made the rounds and IMO is reality.

[TheMoose]

Originally Posted by TheDuke

You obviously haven't researched what was happening going into ces.. you can call it FUD, or you can call it whatever you want but it's odd that several reliable sources say that hd dvd had a homerun lined up for hd dvd and sony and fox crashed the party. Say what you want about how this info has come to light, but it has made the rounds and IMO is reality.

Then why after getting the WB news did they not come out fighting with this "home run"?
It just sounds like spin to me because if they really did have some big thing happening now is the time to run it out!