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Old 01-22-2008   #97
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Looks like the HD-DVD hardware wasn't doing all that good before the WB announcement & it has taken a big hit since!

How long can Toshiba hold out with numbers like this?
There are rumors that Sony bought a lot of gear/software themselves in December, which I'd normally say no way in hell but...This from the company that created a fake news source for a movie quote.... plus trying to convince WB to go blue.

The January numbers show exactly what we've already been told: HD-DVD died after the WB announcement.

The Digital Bits isn't a news source though. It's a personal blog that has gained popularity.
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Old 01-22-2008   #98
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This despite the fact that HD-DVD players were (on average) some $200 cheaper than Blu-ray players throughout the holiday shopping season.

How long can Toshiba hold out with numbers like this?
Blu-ray players were down to $300 in December while many B&M shops had 1080i A3 players at $250. Hardly a $200 price advantage for HD DVD.

Biased articles from paid propaganda artists like Bill Hunt and Thomas K Arnold might as well be official press releases from the BDA as there is no journalistic credibility to be found.

That being said, I will agree that the WB decision and probably more importantly HD DVDs silence for the next week really killed HD DVD sales. However, since the price cut, HD DVD hardware sales have picked back up as indicated by product ranking on Amazon, Circuit City, etc Robert from Value Electronics said HD DVD hardware is selling briskly since the new price drop and hes had to order 200 additional units for his store.
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Microsoft is far more interested in competing with Apple in the tens of billions of dollar download music and movie/show business. I am very doubtful they will be blowing billions on studios for HD. Bad business, as Blu Ray is mostly entrenched in the rest of the world. Japan, the second largest country in sales in Blu Ray centric--and it isn't because Sony is Japanese. So is Toshiba. No doubt the Japanese have always been far more proud of Sony though.

The war is now between Blu Ray and downloadables and Mr. Softy is trying mighty hard not to get "Job'd" by Apple again. As much as they dislike Sony, they are far more likely not to waste money on HD and add a Blue Ray to their XBOX. Their sharholders would be mighty ****ed if they blew billions on studios and I don't think the studios want this war to keep on going. There stores, hence the studios, want one format stability. But tgher Studios will sell to Microsoft the same stuff they sell Apple. Microsoft would be far happier if HD won, but they aren't going to blow billions on it. Dell and H-P already are on board with Blu-Ray and Microsoft wants them for their downloads, as they both sell more pc's than every computer company together.

Within 6 months or so, maybe sooner or a little later Paramount will be Blu Ray. That will leave Universal standingalone with HD. That won't last long.

What isthepoint of buying a Toshiba A3 that was $400-$500 and know marked down to $100-$150 if there is only a limited amount of software to play on it and almost no future HD discs toplay on it.

I guarantee the Porn Industry will follow suit--as they want to sell to the people that have the most machines--and that will obviously be Blu Ray. Heck, Blu Ray has over 10 manufacturers making their machines and Toshiba has just Toshiba and maybe a Chinese manufacturer. The Onkyo is a rebadged Toshiba and will likely be dropped before the years end. Onkyo is on the upswing with their 805 and 875 receivers, not to mention the Integra DTC-9.8 and the Onkyo cersion of the same. They want to continue their built-in momentum anhd their HD isn't cheap. Unlike Toshiba, they have no vested interest in HD. They have interest in people buying complete set-ups from them. Denon and Pioneer Elite are Blu Ray, as is Panasonic and they are all prepared for Blu Ray-particularly in the next 6 months when they all will put in the latest features from the Blu Ray consortium.

Toshiba had the misfortune of coming out early with the better machines before the public was ready to buy these machines.

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The missus just bought me an Apple TV for my birthday so I'm eager to see if I can determine any appreciable difference between a 720p HD movie I download from iTunes and the same movie on Blu-ray from my PS3. While I was originally not a fan of Apple TV (we're a solid Mac family with a MacBook Pro, an iMac, an iPhone, an iPod and two AirPort Extremes), the recent announcements at MacWorld have caused me to consider that Steve Jobs and the Apple team may actually have gotten it right this time.

There is little question that Joe & Susie Sixpack haven't jumped onto the high-def DVD bandwagon and, as more providers like Apple begin to deliver high quality content directly to their TV at reasonable prices, it's not likely that they ever will. I think it's entirely possible that the earlier comment about the war being over and Steve Jobs is the winner might prove to be much more accurate than anything coming out of either battle camp at the moment.
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The missus just bought me an Apple TV for my birthday so I'm eager to see if I can determine any appreciable difference between a 720p HD movie I download from iTunes and the same movie on Blu-ray from my PS3. While I was originally not a fan of Apple TV (we're a solid Mac family with a MacBook Pro, an iMac, an iPhone, an iPod and two AirPort Extremes), the recent announcements at MacWorld have caused me to consider that Steve Jobs and the Apple team may actually have gotten it right this time.

There is little question that Joe & Susie Sixpack haven't jumped onto the high-def DVD bandwagon and, as more providers like Apple begin to deliver high quality content directly to their TV at reasonable prices, it's not likely that they ever will. I think it's entirely possible that the earlier comment about the war being over and Steve Jobs is the winner might prove to be much more accurate than anything coming out of either battle camp at the moment.
Im getting and Apple TV this week and I know a business associate that is also planning to get one.

That Steve Jobs could sell a catsup popsicle to a woman in white gloves!!
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There are rumors that Sony bought a lot of gear/software themselves in December, which I'd normally say no way in hell but...This from the company that created a fake news source for a movie quote.... plus trying to convince WB to go blue.
You can't be serious!

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The Digital Bits isn't a news source though. It's a personal blog that has gained popularity.
The numbers though are from the NPD Group.
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