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Old 11-16-2007   #19
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Default Re: Is Sony Ready To Pull The Plug On Blu-ray?

I own both formats and have backed them both from the start at AVRev.com. Note: our volume of HD DVD and Blu-ray reviews from professional movie reviewers (not some jerk-off videophiles). I spent the money to pay to upgrade their systems, set them up with HDTVs and surround sound as well as installation. I have also made money from both camps thus if you want to call me a whore in the process (it would be very AVS of you) at least I take it from both sides!!!

With that said - I think HD DVD has the edge right now. Afforfordable players. The better name (EVERYONE knows what an HD DVD is at this point because they know what HD is and they know what a DVD is). They also have some solid titles and I think titles will drive this battle going forward.

Is the battle over? HELL NO.

Do you think Sony is going to let Beta happen all over again? Not without a fight? They have STRONG studio support and a good foot hold in the gaming market. They need another salvo with BIG titles and low-cost players. Note: Sony is still marketing in to the enthuiast crowd yet Toshiba and Dreamworks are not. Not at least on the Internet which was the driving force of the $99 players. NOT ads on TV.

Don't discount the power of porn. It won for VHS and seemingly HD DVD has a leg up (so to speak) in that world. More porn gets sold in the US than music these days.

Sony needs to get their music label to start releasing Blu-ray music discs in HUGE volumes. Start with the SACD backcatalog with 100 new HOT titles. And go from there with 5 new ones per week. You want Blu-ray back. Put out some smut and put out high res music.

This war will NOT be won during a football game nor will it be won on a video game platform alone.
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Old 11-16-2007   #20
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And would this "one person" you talked to at Toshiba be in marketing?
Yeah those marketing guys really know their technical points. The data he shared with me about how they increased the pit size and how the discs are still storing data at the same level, etc. is the kind of stuff you hear from PR.

No I made a call to someone in R&D that I met years back. We're friends and he says at CES they'll be showing off both 34GB and 51GB discs.

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Do you think it matters to the studios that HD-DVD has been selling more standalones than Blu-Ray or do you think it matters more that Blu-Ray movies are outselling HD-DVD movies 2-1??
I think they care about attachment rates. I think they care that one side seems to be gaining steam in sales for hardware. With the attachment rates they can see that if Toshiba produces a steady amount of hardware sales (100,000 per month would do it) then they'd surpass BD in software sales by April/May.

Certain titles, and releases of new machines will change the landscape a bit (unless you think that Transformers was just "normal" for HD DVD). They provide instant gratification and sway the numbers some. It's the catalog titles and how they perform as a whole over a period of time that Studios truly care about.

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Once again do you think the studios think that since the 2-1 sales advantage by Blu-Ray is just because of the PS3 so they are going to ignore it?
Hmmm... Paramount and Dreamworks already did.

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PS3 sales are up 300% & Spiderman 3, Pirates of the Caribbean at Worlds End, Die Hard 4, Cars, Ratatouille & others only on Blu-Ray I see the 2-1 gap in sales increasing & that is the only thing the studios care about.
Wow PS3 had one good week and everything is fixed. Those 300,000 players were all bought to play BDs and the world is a better place for Sony. I'm sure they're extremely happy. You see the sales increasing, but that's not the case. So it might happen soon, but really the 120,000 Toshiba players sold since the $98 weekend started is a much more significant number. In a matter of 10 days they've increased their at home size by nearly 33%. That is affecting sales.

Shrek 3, Bourne Ultimatum, blah, blah.

We can all play that game, but it's why the war is a stalemate. Nothing is improving and if anything they're just getting closer and closer.

Attachment rates and let's be honest price of the gear is important. The Toshiba units will be going for $199 all holiday season. That seems to be a good number for them, and is still moving them off the shelves at Best Buy. I was at one today for BD titles for my Samsung, and asked if they had any A3s and was told "nope, we keep selling out, but we have a lot for next Friday. You should come then."

Think about the fact that Toshiba was outselling BD by around 56%, 3% combos, 41% BD players every month. This month will be a lot different when the numbers come out. It will be like 90% Toshiba.

BD players just aren't selling. PS3 is distorting software sales numbers, and yes the Studios do care, because there are already millions of PS3s out there, and another 300,000 for the month of November won't mean that much. They will approach a point of diminishing returns.

Sony needs to get a $300 unit or less out there ASAP. The consumer cares about price.
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I'm sorry I'm pointing out how negative you sound for getting on someone for defending the fact that a triple layer disc will work just fine. You sound just as dumb and ignorant as the idiots who said BD DL discs wouldn't work.
I have no problem with the HD-DVD 51GB discs.
The fan boy comment was on what you said.
With the unnecessary color commentary, and now are you contradicting yourself about the DL BD discs or was that just another convenient jab?


... laughed it off as more negative BS from the BD camp...
... but I suppose the BD triple layer and quad layer BDs will work just fine right?" Then he laughed some more.
Just as there was no reason the BD DLs shouldn't have worked fine (but some online were saying wouldn't work with their players).
It's more negativity from opposing camps because they fear losing or some nonsense.

I sound just as dumb and ignorant as the idiots.... ?
Wow talk about negative.
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Angry AVRev.com has lost its Cred?

Threads like this cause this forum to lose credibility. Can we have a rationale discussion about a topic like this without wild speculation, sensationalized editorializing, and taking things grossly out of context? Is this Fox news or a respectable journal? The content of your post is largely balanced but your wording of your topic header is reckless and smells of adolescent-debate tactics.

Of course these comments by Sony's CEO are pointed and worthy of good discussion. There's good fodder for some good debate in there. But to try to suggest from them that Sony is abandoning Blu-ray is not only ridiculous, its irresponsible journalism. Let's try to preserves some sense of integrity on this site, shall we?

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Are you sure you mean what you say?

Put the headline aside or call it Fox News-like if you must but you clearly know the difference between AVRev.com and the rest of the other AV publications out there - right?

Let's start with audited readerships. AVRev.com (according to IM Services Group) in June of 2006 had 650,371 total monthly readers (532,000 unique). That is more audited readers than the print versions of Sound _ Vision, Home Theater Mag and Stereophile COMBINED. That doesn't mention UNAUDITED publications and web properties in the market who you should really be directing your "cred" issues at.

Wanna compare my reference system with other editors. I don't make this point to brag as much as to show that I live and invest deeply to walk the walk and talk the talk of an ULTRA-HIGH-END, HD format driven, installed theater and home automation system. Can the editors of other publications and webzines say that? Add in the reference systems of my editorial staff to the argument (see Andrew Robinson and Ken Taraszka's systems for examples) and you will see my point. We LIVE HD. We live high end audio. We live home automation...

That brings be back to the forum. The IDEA of the forum is for debate. Unlike Gingrich Neo-con politics - I think there is a place for civil debate in this world. If you want to fight - look up www.AVSForum.com and go there. There are a bunch of guys looking to make small talk and throw around insults. If you want to have YOUR SAY with the editors and publisher of the largest audited home theater publication in the world - welcome to AVRevForum.com. That is our goal - no matter if you think a headline is salacious or not. The conversation is better here.
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While I agree with some of what you've written I disagree on a few points:
Better name? I know you mean literally the term HD-DVD but to me I think Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, Pioneer, Fox and DISNEY and not Toshiba and Universal.

Titles drive. I agree which makes me go back to Fox and DISNEY.

$99.99 HD-DVD/Internet/Porn points: fire sale prices get anyone to move(I even bought a second one) it's just not a very good business model to bring a new format and not allow Companies to make at least a little money before the race to the bottom. I mean who else wants to jump into this? //Two things about the porn: Most people get their porn online nowadays, and second Blu-Ray does and has been for a little while now sold porn.

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With that said - I think HD DVD has the edge right now. Afforfordable players. The better name (EVERYONE knows what an HD DVD is at this point because they know what HD is and they know what a DVD is).

They also have some solid titles and I think titles will drive this battle going forward.

Not at least on the Internet which was the driving force of the $99 players. NOT ads on TV.

Don't discount the power of porn. It won for VHS and seemingly HD DVD has a leg up (so to speak) in that world. More porn gets sold in the US than music these days.

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Wanna compare my reference system with other editors. I don't make this point to brag as much as to show that I live and invest deeply to walk the walk and talk the talk of an ULTRA-HIGH-END, HD format driven, installed theater and home automation system. Can the editors of other publications and webzines say that?
Sorry to take such a small snip of your quote but this is exactly the same thing I have noticed on different HDM review sites. They do all these reviews talking about the picture and sound quality then you look at what they use to review and it's like a 26" Samsung CRT tube and a Sony HTIB!!?!???!
Just amazing.
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