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Old 02-06-2008   #114
Lotus
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Default Re: HD DVD about to fight back...

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet View Post
Lotus,

the BDA also approved 100GB Blu-ray Disc specs.

I suppose by your own logic you'll accept that all current BD hardware can play such discs without any real-world evidence of interoperability?
Since I have EE degree: YES. I know how the BD player works. It would be as easy as a firmware upgrade. It's actually really simple. These units were designed to read multiple layers.

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I appreciate your even-handed treatement of BD50. However, BD50 discs were available for initial testing and design of first-generation BD hardware
No they weren't. Since I was there helping with the design I can flat out tell you we had no BD50 discs. We had Dual Layer test discs that were incapable of holding 50GBs. BD50 was being designed at roughly the same time. It was always planned for multiple layers. By the time I had left they may have had BD50s to play with but the units were designed without BD50s and definately not in initial testings.

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so naturally the hardware manufacturers had designed their product in accord with BD50 software support. This statement is not intended as proof that TL51 discs cannot be played in current HD DVD hardware, only that the situation from a hardware side is slightly more challenging.
I'm rather positive that Toshiba designers tested triple layer and quadruple layer test discs in their R&D. Were they TL51s? No. Just as BD was testing TL and QL BDs that weren't 75GB and 100GB. Also it isn't really all that challenging. Once you've made it so the laser can read multiple layers at all the rest is pretty simple.

[QUOTE]I'm not challenging white-paper specs and you know it. [/QOUTE]

Yes you are. You're saying TL discs won't work in the player unless proven otherwise. The proof is there for you to read ad nauseum. You just don't want to.

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I couldn't be more clear regardless of your accusations. You continually ignore the basic query to document/confirm that TL51GB discs are actually ready for production.
The DVD Forum approved TL51 and were given yield rates, cycle times, etc. They are "ready," for production. They just aren't in production. That is easily proven.

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White-paper specs have nothing to do with whether a product has been bought to market in a production-ready form. I forgot, I'm disgusting. I suppose that adjective tossed my way magically produces marketable TL51GB production yields?
No but you're saying they won't work. White paper has everything to do with that. You're changing your stance which is further twisting by you. First you claimed they wouldn't work on older players. Now you're saying it's about "if they're ready for replication," and you just never quit twisting do you?

As for marketable production yields... the information the DVD Forum was given was MUCH lower than SL and DL discs but still higher than BD50s. So I'd say that is "marketable," but still higher costs.

Is it marketable? Right now I'd say No. Because HD DVD is dead in the water.
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